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Thursday, February 21, 2008

God and Allah, Are They The Same? Part II

This is the continuation of the discussion “God and Allah, Are They The Same?”

If you spent a little time at the previously listed web sites in Part 1 then this will be much easier to understand.

All information in this post is credited to Ben.

Islam and Christianity

The Koran vs. The Bible; http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm
Side by side comparative scripture.

For the Islamic concept, see: http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/conceptofGod.htm

ALLAH, the Moon God
Review of The Moon God Allah in the Archaeology of the Middle East.
www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

3:54 "And (then unbelievers) plotted and planned [makaroo] and Allah too planned [makara] and the best [khayr] of planners [makireen] is Allah"

#393 The Arabic Makara has both a bad and a good meaning, that of making an intricate plan to carry out some secret purpose. The enemies of Allah are constantly doing that. But Allah-in whose hands is all good-has His plans also, against which the evil ones will have no chance whatever.

The Arabic word makara means to DECEIVE, PLAN, PLOT, SCHEME.

*** The Quran depicts Allah as a SLY, DECEIVING & CUNNING SCHEMER who plans and plots against his own CREATION that he had already PREDESTINED to end up either in Paradise or in Hell.

Such human attributes cannot possibly fit any supreme being, if Allah is the same as the God of Israel.

In fact such attributes are pure BLASPHEMY ***

The Arabic Bible in Genesis 3:1 uses the same word for Satan.

However, the Vand Dyck and Jerusalem Bibles use the root word hayala, which means to DECEIVE or to LIE.

This word "schemer" (makir) is a very strong word which Wehr and Abdel-Nour define as "sly, cunning, wily, deceiver".

The Arabic-Arabic unjid defines it with "khuda`a" which means exactly the same thing
(Bill Campbell in his book The Qur'an and the Bible in the Light of History and Science p.217-218).

Another reference to the DECEIT of Allah:

7:99 Did they then fell secure against the plan [makr] of Allah? But no one can feel secure from the plan [makr] of Allah except those (doomed) to ruin!

The phrase of Allah "being the best deceiver". "khayr-ol- makireen" is also used of Allah in Suras 8:30; 10:21.

8: 30 Remember how the unbelievers plotted [yamkuroo] against thee to keep thee in bonds or slay thee or get thee out (of thy home). They plot and plan [yamkuroona] and Allah too plans [yamkuroo] but the best of planners [ khayr- ol-makireen] is Allah.

10:21 When We make mankind taste of some mercy after adversity hath touched them Behold! they take to plotting [makaroo] against our Signs! Say: "Swifter to plan [asra'oo makiran] is Allah!" Verily Our messengers record all the plots that ye make [tamkuroona] !

Allah is the most DECEITFUL in Sura 3:54 and in Sura 30:8

In sura 10:21 Allah is referred to be the fastest in DECEIT/ PLOTTING/ SCHEMING.

The root with its nine forms is used in the Quran 43 times.

English translations of the Quran try to conceal the true meaning of "deceiver"

Yusuf Ali 3:54"And (the unbelievers) Plotted and planned, And Allah too planned, And the best [khayr] of planners Is Allah."

*** Yusuf Ali, in his version of the Quran, says that Makara can be "good or
bad", positive or negative, (note 393), but all the Arabic dictionaries do not show the 'good' side ***

Arberry Sura 3:between 45 and 50" And they devised, and God [Allah] devised, and God [Allah] is the best [khayr] of devisers"

Malik 3:54 "The (unbelievers among the children of Israel) plotted (against Isa) and Allah also devised a plan (to raise him up), and Allah is the best [khayr] in planning."

10:21 "When we bestow mercy upon the people, after adversity had afflicted them, they immediately scheme against our revelations! Say, "GOD's [Allah's] scheming is far more effective. For our messengers are recording everything you scheme." (http://www.submission.org/suras/sura10.html)

Pickthall 3:54 "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them); and Allah is the best [khayr] of schemers."

Maulawi Sher Ali, an Ahmaddiyya 3:54 "And they planned, and Allah also planned; and Allah is the Best of planners."

In Farsi, the word, "Makr" and "Makar" is from the Arabic, and it is invariably negative.

Interpretation of Sura 3:54-

The person who is a Makir (Same form as the word Kafir), speaking of
the attribute of a person, is one who would outwit someone else to cause them harm.

It speaks of one who would reveal the opposite of what he plans to do. The reality is that he is scheming evil for that person. Hence there is the sense of planning and scheming but mostly it means to trick, outwit and deceive for the purpose of overpowering and conquering the other.

A Makir is one who devises a secret scheme against someone else. Synonyms would be cheating, defrauding, double-crossing, deceiving, tricking, in all cases Makara has the sense of defeating the one you have tricked.

Although Quranic verses are rarely understood in the context of verses that surround them, the best explanation of this verse is that some Jews were trying to deceive Jesus into believing that they have accepted his message while in reality were plotting to have him excuted.

Unfortunately for them, Allah knew of their scheme because they cannot outwit Allah, and he in turn schemed to deceive them by having a Jesus look-alike get executed instead. So the literal translation that best represents the intention of the verse is:

Sura 3:54 "... and (they) Deceived and Allah Deceived and Allah is the deceivest of deceivers "

In Arabic: "Wa makaru wa makara Allah wa Allah khayru^l Makireen."

The context of the story is very important since Sura 3 is regarded to be Muhammad's understanding of Christian beliefs.

Al Tabari says here, that the deceit of Allah applies to the time when the Jews wanted to kill Isa the son of Miriam [Mary]. In order not to have Jesus killed, someone else had the face of Isa put on him so he was killed instead of Isa the son of Miriam [Mary]. This is how Allah deceived the Jews.

*** If Jesus did not DIE on the CROSS, then obviuosly there could have been no RESURRECTION.

Without Death & Resurrection, there is no purpose for Christianity. Hence with one single sentence, the whole of Christianity is OBLITERATED.

Since according to the Quran, its verses were 'revealed' by the angel Gabriel, the same who predicted the miraculous birth of Jesus as the REDEEMER of humanity, then Allah DECEIVED the Christians TWICE:

Once for the reason of Jesus's birth and then for his non death.

From all of the above, the true nature of Allah is revealed ***

Deception of the Qu’ran By Translators

Islam- The World Power of The Future?

Allah, Who Is He?

Ecumenical Outreach Ministry
At this site you can click on “Books” to bring up a page with several Word documents or Adobe.pdf’s.

Under the heading "Questions About Faith" scroll down to item number 65. There you will see an MS Word doc and Adobe pdf icons. Click on your preference to bring up the subject of "God In Islam and Christianity".

May the God of Abraham bless you with knowledge and understanding.